Thursday, November 01, 2007

Is it me, or is the modern Christian God quiet deistic?

Yeah, it's been a while. Over a year in fact, but I quite like this blog.

Someone was posting on a discussion board, "Prove that God doesn't exist?". I read down for a little while, and it struck me that no-one was asking "which God?" Because to disprove a deist god is a bitch of a task, on account of it doesn't do very much, but, on the other end of the scale, to disprove the God of creationists is dead easy, because either (a) it didn't happen like that, so they're wrong, or (b) their God is a decietful git who made the world look like it's really old, but it isn't, which makes their God internally inconsistent (the assumption that God isn't internally inconsistent is made, which is perhaps a risky one).

And this led me on to thinking about a claim Dawkins made in one of his books, that if God existed you would be able to see consequences of His existance (for example, if He was good, the world wouldn't have such a capacity for bitchiness. There are other ways one could concieve of having the world which would significantly reduce it's nastiness, which one would hope would be an aim of a Good God). The theological counter to this is that such things are not required, that the way God works is via people, and it is only required that God is internally consistent, any of his external effects, the stuff that would be empirically observable, can be written off to natural causes, because that's how God does it.

That is almost identical statement to believing in a deistic God - that the God is there, but he doesn't do anything significant (that we can understand of percieve), is very distant, and lets the world work out on it's own.

What seems to be the significant difference is that the Christian God then goes on and interacts with people on an individual level, which is very observable for the individual, but not really very observable for anyone else (quite a lot experiential, and having an intrinsic knowledge of God's existance). So both the deistic God and the Christian God let the world run according to the natural order of things, but then the Christian God has a capacity for interacting with individuals.

Therefore, Christian God = deistic God + personal interaction.

Which is interesting - the modern Christian God works on the very broadest scale of establishing the rules of the universe and insuring it runs, and then on the scale of the person, but not at all in between. He used to - He seemed quite interested in politics and theocracies and things like that, but going by what Christians so, not so much anymore.

Okay, by working with a person, and those people interact, He would be effecting large groups of people, but it seems to be a round about way of going about things.

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